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Cosmographia Mod Journal ([personal profile] cosmods) wrote in [community profile] cosmoooc2015-11-22 03:58 pm
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Mod Apps and Changes

Happy Sunday to you, Cosmographia. We’ve had quite a lot to think about this weekend, as well as a lot of emotions running rampant – but above all, we want to make sure to keep you abreast of what’s going on.

First of all, Cosmographia is opening applications for two mod positions and one helper mod position. They will be accepted from today, November 22nd to Friday, November 27th. We’ll be looking at mod experience, what applicants know they can do in regards to admin and playerbase work, and where they want to take the game; Freya will be the one reviewing these applications. Given that the state of the game is so volatile right now, any mod stepping into the spotlight is going to be intensely scrutinized. The modship's top priority right now is repairing the game and trying to restore order. and so for the time being we feel that it is best done through anonymous modding. That way, we as a team can focus on the welfare of the game and its playerbase. It will also mean that contacting the mod team through email will be the paramount way to contact us.

Now, obviously, not everyone on the team will be anonymous – Freya will still be helping, and Elaine will still be a mod. As for Elaine, she is willing to remain open to questions and concerns on Plurk as she has done throughout this weekend.

Second, we will be implementing a monthly HMD post for both players and the game itself. There will be an opportunity there for players to bring up their concerns with how the game is run, as well as a place for people to receive critique on their playing. This is a general forum for people to express their opinions and concerns, and to talk openly with the mods and each other about improvements.

Third, we will have to push back November’s event to next month. Again, we want to focus on your welfare, and after all that’s happened this weekend, it’s apparent that both the mod team and the playerbase are exhausted. Elaine has offered her time and services to run a lighter Thanksgiving-themed mingle. Initial details can be found here, and more will be posted in the next couple of days.

Lastly, we will be implementing some small housekeeping changes to the calendar in regards to the weather. We’ve noticed that many players tend to forget that Waverly Bay is set in the Southern Hemisphere, and thus the seasons and their usual times are flipped from what they are in the Northern Hemisphere. We’ll be including a general weather blurb with each monthly calendar to give folks an idea of the meteorology.

If you have any questions or concerns, please address them in the comments below.

Edit: After discussion, we felt it best that the case of anonymous modding will be reviewed by the new mod team in question.
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A formal apology

[personal profile] cyan_maid 2015-11-22 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey guys. Elaine here. Sorry to use Jane's journal - the personal one I have is literally never used, and I wanted to make sure you guys recognized this as coming from me.

I wanted to apologize personally for the events of the last couple of weeks. A lot of feelings have been hurt, a lot of mistakes have been made, and all I can say is that I was not as open to conversation as I should have been. I can say many things regarding this; I work a full time job, the situation was fragile enough for me to be unsure as to what course of action to take, and this is literally my first experience in a leadership position in journal roleplay. However, none of these things should be taken as an excuse. Rather, I am going to use this opportunity to learn from and work towards being a better mod for the game, which is ultimately what you guys need and deserve.

Unless you have anything pressing to discuss with me on the matter, this is the last I will be posting about it - a lot of people have contacted me telling me to take a break from being open to conversation, and I am trying to take your advice.
Edited 2015-11-22 21:10 (UTC)
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[personal profile] rickdiculous 2015-11-22 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
...you need to stop apologizing for it when you have literally done nothing wrong and don't deserve to be made a scapegoat for any of this.

jfc i wasn't even going to get involved again but i've been getting the impression that a lot of this is being shoved on you by tora/freya and i am not okay with that
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[personal profile] torya 2015-11-22 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
tbh I don't think that 'anonymous modding' is really a good choice, like. At all. I can only speak for myself, obviously, but one of the biggest problems I've had with the mod team in this game (since I joined, so it's not a recent thing) has been a lack of transparent methods to communicate with the mods. A monthy HMD is a good start, but how are we supposed to give feedback for mods if we don't even know who they are?

I understand where you guys are coming from, but given the concerns raised in the last post, I don't think less transparency is a good direction to go. That's just my thoughts though, of course.

I'd also like to ask, how exactly are mod applications being accepted? Is there a place we should post them, or do we email them in? Is there some kind of application form, or should we just say "Hi, I'm So-and-So, I'm applying for X position on the mod team, because blah blah"? Just want to make sure before I throw my own application in!
Edited (YOU EVER JUST A WORD) 2015-11-22 21:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cyan_maid 2015-11-22 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi Lepo.

This is not an apology pushed onto me by anyone. I wanted to apologize. You had to do a lot of shit, and I was floundering like an idiot. Hell, I should've gone to you privately to apologize for my part in this, even if you're not going to accept it.

I am well aware I've done nothing - that's the problem.
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[personal profile] rickdiculous 2015-11-22 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
that's because you literally have nothing to apologize for

elaine. you were the only one on that modteam who actually seemed remotely interested in listening in regards to that problem, and actually put in a degree of effort to solve it, which is more than i can say for some people.

so no, you were not floundering around like an idiot and you do not deserve to have any of this pushed on you. because outside freya/tora actually floundering like idiots on the main mod address, you seem to be the only current mod interested in addressing player concerns and keeping in touch with them.

which i might add was...kind of a major issue here in the first place.

[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
My perspective on the anon modding, for the moment, is simple: It'll mean there's less scrutiny for new mods who may be uncomfortable being in the spotlight, and not only that, it means we mods will be approached as a team and we will all be on the same page - rather than going to one particular mod and the other mods not really knowing what is going on. It doesn't mean that the mod team, as a whole, will be less transparent. The idea is the mod team will be acting together, publicly. The HMD is going to be a part of that accountability - it will allow the mods to all respond to concerns publicly on a monthly basis.

For now it's a temporary measure just due to the drama and to get some mod team unity and a new team starts off. How effective it is and how comfortable the new mods are with it will be up to them to deal with.

And yes, mod applications are being accepted through email, and you do just need to tell us why you think you'd be fit to be a mod.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Lepo - If you want to discuss these things with Elaine, please do so privately. I don't appreciate you coming in and publicly calling me an idiot for trying to get a handle on things you did drop out of and I did ask if you would like to come back and help with, nor your participation on wankgate regarding this game. If you have issues with me, talk to me. If you don't have anything more constructive to add to any of this, leave and stop drama mongering.
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[personal profile] cyan_maid 2015-11-22 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I still think me submitting an apology can't hurt. This is something I'm doing of my own volition, out of my own concern for the game. And regardless of it being pushed on me or not, I am still a mod, and this game's distress is still my responsibility.

I don't want to throw names around. I don't want to perpetuate any more hurt. I just want to help set things right.
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[personal profile] hasmovedon 2015-11-22 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreeing with the above -- anonymous modding seems like a bad idea, especially because with mods anonymous we won't be able to spot it if obvious favoritism like that 'temp drop' system happens again. I'm willing to give it a test run for a bit though before calling judgement; it may remove some of the stress from the mods, which seems to have been one of the contributing factors to this debacle (though hopefully our new mods will be better at handling it and we won't have wank of this magnitude allowed to happen again).

I am completely in favor of an HMD, though! It's something the game has needed just as a formality for a while and I'm glad to see it's being implemented (and I think having one ALSO would have contributed to this not becoming the huge issue it did).

I think this is a pretty good direction going forward overall and I'm optimistic. Come on, Cosmos! We can come back from this strong and kicking.
Edited 2015-11-22 21:38 (UTC)
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[personal profile] dennishopper 2015-11-22 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
are we calling leaving because i got kicked out of modchat for having a different opinion the same thing as "dropping out", because quite frankly i would call it a "natural response". you saw the conversations before anyone else.

never mind the fact that i've never made a single post on wankgate regarding this game nor my leaving it, so i'd kindly ask you to do a little bit of fact-checking there.

in any case, this is the last i'll be speaking publicly about this, but i needed to express my own support of elaine in a fashion in which the people who matter could see it.
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[personal profile] torya 2015-11-22 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm going to be frank and say that if someone is not comfortable with at least some level of scrutiny in regards to taking a mod position then they really should not be taking a mod position, least of all following this entire mess. I'm really not sure how hiding just who is on the mod team is supposed to foster any kind of trust in the people running this game -- as said below, it just makes it harder to single out any potential problem mods because we quite simply don't know who's at the helm.

A lack of mod transparency is what caused this entire problem in the first place and further distancing the mods from the player base in this way is not the way to go. At all. I completely agree that proper mod unity is part of what's needed here, but that should come from better trust and communication between the mod team and not from hiding the mods in question from the players.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to link the thread with you in wankgate, because people can find that easily on their own. Besides, you did come to me when I was trying to figure out just what was going on, and I did discuss with you about coming back. It may have been the natural response on your end, but nonetheless you are being unfair to me and my own attempt at damage control.

And that's fair. Elaine does need the support she gets, and I hope a new mod team will help with that.
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[personal profile] dennishopper 2015-11-22 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"participation" implies that i was directly involved in posting/making anything that happened with this game or nova on wankgate.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering you outright went to wankgate and provided a transcript of a private plurk - yes. That's participation.
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[personal profile] yourpiecenow 2015-11-22 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
that's rpanons not wankgate they're entirely different communities and you'd know that if you knew literally anything about dwrp
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[personal profile] dennishopper 2015-11-22 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
have you checked wankgate at all. i went to a different comm. not wankgate. if anything, that does kind of showcase the research you're putting into this matter.

[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright. After some discussion with Elaine, regarding this comment and the below, we've decided to leave it up to the incoming mod team to deal with, since at the moment we're struggling with solutions (clearly) and the point is to try and get a new mod team in to respond to player concerns such as these.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering I actively avoid comms as that, despite being a part of dwrp? yeah. sure. My mistake. Same difference to me.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That's my mistake. But for me, those anon comms are literal a case of "same difference". It doesn't change the fact you went against game policy by being active on comms like those instead of coming to the other mods, to the point I had to seek you out.
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[personal profile] twentycoolpoints 2015-11-22 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
So hey, I'm a pretty new player and haven't been here long or done much, but... I want to stay, and want this place to be worth staying in? The HMD stuff, that's good, but I'm really not down with the anon mods thing. At least not at this moment. Others have said it already, that the problems that have brought us here were because of a lack of transparency. Obscuring who the new mods will be will just leave people wondering if decisions are being made fairly and evenly.

Also, we already know who the older mods are, what good would it do to obscure the identities of the new ones? If the idea is to protect them from excessive criticism, well... sometimes, part of being a mod is being able to take other's crap. I've been in similar positions in other gaming situations, and I stepped down from those positions when I knew that on a personal level, I'd reached my limit. Shouldn't we have people stepping up that can handle the lumps and bumps and slings and arrows that come with modding?
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[personal profile] yourpiecenow 2015-11-22 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
well it's not and you shouldn't be making judgement calls based in ignorance. you shouldn't be a mod if you're just constantly talking out of your ass, but i guess that hasn't stopped you before so.

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, this was really, really not a constructive comment. It was outright hurtful and exhibited bullying behaviour. You don't really know me, or my background, or what I've done. Lashing out at me because of your personal impressions of me? Is not cool.

I'm officially giving you a strike.
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[personal profile] dennishopper 2015-11-22 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
-i- was the one who private plurked you that conversation to begin with and my posting that plurk took place after i had left the game. prior to the incident regarding that player, you and i had never even spoken and that was our first time speaking one-on-one.

i will say that i had posted there regarding the initial issue, if only to tell people that it was being addressed, since i was the only mod people seemed interested in coming to for talking about this since apparently the mod emails on it weren't getting answered. that was a bit rash on my part and i will not deny that, but my intent was firmly to not keep players in the dark for a week-long issue that should have been a day-long issue.
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[personal profile] yourpiecenow 2015-11-22 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
please submit all complaints via email at youareanembarrassment@hotmail.com

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[personal profile] gomi 2015-11-22 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. And I remember having to ask another person for you to get that for me. Honestly, I found our conversation constructive, but it seems you did not.

And yes, you did act rashly. I appreciate your good intentions. However, that's been the story of this mess - good intention gone wrong, to the point of really inappropriate behaviour. Everyone on the mod team is guilty of this to a degree. There has been bad behaviour on all our parts. That is now in the past, and we're trying to patch it back up currently.

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